Days in a wannabe punk's life

4/22/06

Will you let me hold your hand?

I had an interesting day today.

I met someone through a mutual friend and she turned out to be a wonderful conversationalist, AND she was smart as hell. We had a great time discussing the cognitive psychological reasoning behind eating disorders and how they prove detrimental to CVD’s (cardio-vascular disorders, and that’s nutrition majorspeak, for you unenlightened beings). And yes I’m a humongous science nerd and I aint’ gonna lie about it. So for those of you sniggering in the background and generally acting all ‘oooo...shes sooo not cool cos she’s like a science major, hyuk hyuk’, I have two words for y’all.

Zip it.

Anyhoo, I couldn’t help but notice that she had her shades on the whole time. Aite, they were Versace and I sooooo wanted them, but *ahem*, my fashion indulgences aside, she never took them off. AND we were sitting inside a café! So me being the *cough* ‘lady of situations’….I asked her albeit a little too unnaturally if I could look at her glasses. In retrospect, I should have known that my cover was a trifle shoddy, and anyone could have seen through my pathetic attempts at incongruity. But I digress.

She smiled wanly and took her glasses off. And that’s when I did a double take.
She had this gigantic, monstrosity of a bruise around her left eye. And worse, it was a deep shade of purple and it was turning black in places. I couldn’t look at her, but perversely I couldn’t take my eyes off either. Before I could muster enough courage to croak two words out of my mouth, she sighed and she told me not to bother because she knew what was coming, and she’s better off telling me herself anyway before I start judging her.

I didn’t react, because frankly I thought it was disrespectful to her. So I let her talk. And talk she did. About how her boyfriend loves her, and how nice he is to her and how he cannot ‘help’ these episodes of ‘accidental rage’, and yes…that’s what she chose to call it – accidental rage.

The whole conversation from then on was one big excuse-fest for her ‘poor-wouldn’t-hurt-a-fly-but-has-occasional-violent-transgressions’ boyfriend. My anger-meter flared up at once, but reason set in and I calmed myself and I realized the emotional abuse she must have gone through to actually speak the way she did.

Because people, a long time ago I was exactly like that once. I was her, making excuses for my abusive ex, thinking that he ‘loved’ me, and somehow it was my fault that I made him so goddamn angry, and I was constantly covering up for him, mollycoddling and glossing over his mistakes. Every time he beat or abused me, there was a ‘good’ reason for him to do so, for I was the aggravator, it was MY fault, time and time again and oh, he made sure I never forget that.

I can see some of you shaking your heads already. I can see some of you say…stupid women, don’t they have a brain? Aren’t they educated? Why don’t they just get out of the relationship? Let me tell you very frankly, that it is infinitely easy for you to pshaw at someone who is under any kind of abuse, especially emotional, because emotional abuse is murky at best and it usually preludes physical abuse. It also continues throughout the course of the relationship, intertwining itself with physical abuse AND it is ALWAYS used as a tool to control the ‘abusee’.

I see an increasing number of women, putting up with abusive boyfriends and the operative word here is boyfriends NOT husbands. Yes domestic violence in a marriage is a huge (to put it mildly) issue and there are no two ways about it, but violence in an urban, yuppie, boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is a tangible problem as well. And it is even more baffling, because these girls (including moi) are educated, come from seemingly liberal backgrounds and are modern, by Indian ‘moral’ and ‘cultural’ standards. Why then do they behave the way they do?

Let me walk you through what I call the ‘sinking-in-a-quagmire-cycle’…..

Step 1: The first ominous sign:

You have a date tonight. This is your fourth date. You refused to see him today, because you have a 15 page paper, but he snidely remarks that if you have ‘other’ interests, then its best that he leaves you to your secret nefarious activities and then he hastily covers it up with an ‘ I’m kidding!’ tag. You find it odd that he makes a remark like that, and a strange unease settles in your stomach. But you convince yourself that he has been nothing short of a charming gentleman so far, and he MUST have been kidding. So uneasily you agree to the date, because you don’t want to hear that remark again, kidding or otherwise.
And THIS is where the first red flag comes up. Because a potential abuser can also come from seemingly modern yuppie backgrounds. But abusers don’t beat you to a pulp on the first date. In fact they’re the exact opposite of that. They will be so suave and so manipulatively charming that you will be swept off your feet. So even if you see a red flag bang in front of your face, you will choose to ignore it.

Step 2: The unforeseen spurts of jealousy and possessiveness:

You are at a restaurant with your new boyfriend. You guys are sitting at a table having a seemingly normal conversation when the waiter comes up to your table to take your order. He is polite and courteous, and you smile and thank him for his service. You turn back to your boyfriend, whose face is an alarming shade of green. You rack your brains, wondering what you did or said, for him to react this way. Coming up blank, you ask him what the problem is. He throws a fit and walks out in a huff. You sit there feeling foolish, hurt and embarrassed as hell, not knowing whether you have to follow him, or act as if nothing happened and sit there apathetically. You decide to follow him, and to your dismay you comprehend the fact that he has unceremoniously ditched you. You go home feeling much dejected and call him, albeit a gazillion times. He finally calls back and demands to see you at that very instant, no ifs or buts. It sounds impossible, and it’s at the ungodly hour of 2 am, but you know you have to see him. There is this feeling you have, this feeling which will later manifest itself in you as FEAR. But he’s been so darn kind and loving to you otherwise, and he makes you feel as if you are the center of his universe, so you brave all odds and meet him anyway. The meeting is a fiasco, with you profusely apologizing to him for god knows what, trying vainly to control his rage, and out of the blue, he breaks down and tells you how afraid he is that you’ll leave him. And THAT brings us to red flag number two. Red flag number two constitutes possessive, maniacal and perverse outbursts which might SEEM undisruptive, but it is the proverbial calm before the storm.

Step 3: The ‘friend-disownment’ stage:

This is a stage where, you spend all your time with your boyfriend. In a normal scenario, this is fine, you’re just getting to know each other, BUT when he starts carping every time you even mention spending time with your friends OR if he goes into one of his fits of maddening jealousy (mostly if you have male friends), you know that another RED flag has been raised. Slowly your friends start evading you one after another, because your boyfriend just does not seem to leave you alone. This finally leads to you being dependent on him ALONE, for emotional support and stability.

Step 4: The antagonistic reversals between moods:

This is the last nail in the coffin. As your boyfriend has successfully gained control of you emotionally, financially and of course physically, the appalling mood swings will set in. At one instance he will be the embodiment of love and tenderness and on the opposite end of the spectrum, he will abuse you with the choicest expletives, or bestow a barrage of blows upon you. Either way you know you’re doomed cos’ you can’t leave him, nor can you stay with him, and you’re left in a quandary.

And this is pretty much the blueprint of the ‘sinking-in-a-quagmire’ cycle.

The feeling of unease and that frightening sensation of helplessness will take over your life and sometimes your mind will entertain abhorrent notions of suicide. Even suicide in that juncture, might seem appealing to you.

As I sat there listening to her babble on about her boyfriend, my life flashed in front of my eyes, and I knew I couldn’t just sit there. I HAD to help her. But I knew that she had sunk deep in the mire, just as I had once, and I also knew that asking her to leave her monstrous boyfriend was not going to help. So I looked her in the eye, where the all too familiar bruise sat, and I told her that if she needed anything, just anything, I was ready to listen to her at any time of the day or night.

For that is ultimately what she needs; a person to talk to. Being emotionally scarred and forsaken can be harrowing to say the least and at that moment I knew that she needed a shoulder to lean on to and I was there.

Women, if any of your friends are in a similar situation; please…… I implore you, stand by them, comfort them and give them strength. Don’t start drifting away JUST because she spends time with her boyfriend all the time. I know it can be tiresome, but please.

And men. If any of your guy friends addresses his girlfriend as a ‘bitch’ or ‘whore’ constantly, or if he has frequent bouts of insecurity, please talk to him and ask him what the problem is. If there seems to be no tangible problem, talk to his girlfriend. This may seem like a no-no to you and your friend in his pathetic state of mind may even think that you guys are having a rollicking affair, but hold your ground. You know your friend needs help, but his girlfriend is in a depraved situation and she is probably at the mercy of your friend. So please, take heed.

I dedicate this post to the girl in the coffee shop. Please read this, girl-in-the-coffee-shop.

Words cannot describe how overwrought I am at your situation.

Post Script: I want to enlighten some of the folks out there as to my situation with my ex, before you start making half-witted assumptions.

1. I do not think about him. To me he is not even a memory.
2. Its been approximately four and a half to five years since this happened, and yes, I was around 17 then.
3. I have really moved on, in the truest sense of the word. And I will forever be indebted to my mom for that. She pulled me out of the slough, quite literally.......with not one family member lending her support. A 'Thank you' seems soooo inadequate, for the hell my mom must have gone through for me.

I love you mom.

P.P.S: Watch this space for updates on girl-in-the-coffee-shop. Right now I keep tabs on her, but she seems to be in a state of limbo, and I'm worried sick.

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106 Comments:

Blogger Sriram said...

Kudos gal. Not many people I know would bother writing this one up, not to mention talking about their own lives in the process. I salute you for your strength. Punk or no punk, you rock. hopefully the girl-in-the-coffee-shop can get out of it.

April 22, 2006 7:26 PM  
Anonymous Sheetal said...

That is so true and so sad...so many of us go thru this. I really wonder why boyfriends keep their girlfriends insecure. I am not necessarily talking about physical abuse, but verbal ones as well...if you are in a relationship...it hurts as much. Is it because after while they have decided this relationship is not going to go too far...so don't bother about the niceties?...but want the physical part to continue. Can the reverse ever happen?

April 22, 2006 7:47 PM  
Blogger Sriram said...

@ sheetal,
The "keeping girlfriends insecure" part arises purely because the guy himself is too insecure. And the abuse is their way of coping with their insecurity as well.

April 22, 2006 7:59 PM  
Anonymous Sheetal said...

@sriram: Thanks. Never saw it that way...thought there was something wrong with me all the while! Guess that's what Megha is talking about. Surprisingly... when my boyfriend behaves this way...constantly giving doses of insecurity... he does not realize that I do have a mind of my own and his behavior gives me strength... I am at the point where I can leave everything and move on.

@Megha: Thank you for writing about this.

April 22, 2006 8:40 PM  
Anonymous confused said...

mmmm,

I agree my first reaction is-why cant the girl chuck such an idiot..na monster. Perhaps, its because almost every woman I know would not have put up with this kind of nonsense. My own ex gf-I cant imagine I could have ever got away with hitting her even once-she would have walked out right then. Come, she would have probably hit me back.:)And I admire her for that.

I am sorry, its not that I am not trying but I find it so diffcult to believe any well educated girl will put up with such utter nonsense. Anyways, she should not.

Well written-I hope the girl in the cafe gets out of it. Try to keep in touch with her if possible.

best

April 22, 2006 9:37 PM  
Blogger Nath said...

I'm with Confused here. I can't begin to understand the thought processes of either the abuser or the abusee. Why would a rational person put up with this sort of thing? Where are the battery charges and restraining orders? Or, at least, trips to the psychiatrist?

(I'm not blaming the victim for failing to do anything -- yet. There might be a perfectly good reason; but if so, I haven't a clue what it is. Any insight would be appreciated.)

April 22, 2006 10:10 PM  
Blogger AYTIDA said...

I cant believe this!! there are guys who actually hurt their girlfriends physically??

why the heck do girls still stay with a guy like that!!! u dont deserve that kinda treatment girls, come on dump that bastard!

I am not the total gandhian principled guy but to never hurt a girl physically was something that was taught to me from a very young age.

well i never had a girlfriend to beat up, but still. :d

** runs off and is still busy trying to find a girl **

April 22, 2006 11:22 PM  
Blogger Madame Mahima said...

i can really identify with this...the same thing happened to me once, and you know what? i thought it was my fault. that i had been asking for it..sick i know...
the second time it happened it was complete emotional abuse, but it might as well have been physical coz it really really messed me up.

for all the people confused out there (and believe me i used to be one of you guys) all i can say is...its a world of a difference when you're IN the situation..normal rules-of-thumb, standard logic doesnt apply, even when it should. the worst part is, as a friend theres really not much you can do because the girl (or guy) being abused has to REALISE the truth of the situation..it sorta like 'u can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.'

i totally agree with sriram..this arises mostly because the guy is crazy insecure..and the worst bit comes when he makes u believe that you truly are nothing without him..girls out there..this is COMPLETELY UNTRUE.
u survived before u met him and you'll survive even after you leave him. have that much faith in yourself.

excellent post megha

April 23, 2006 12:00 AM  
Blogger bharat said...

You would be the first one I respected if you were a shrink! Brilliant analysis that. Girl! you've been thru a lot!

Sometimes it's all about compromises made while manufacturing consent and to keep it going. The price you pay for being with someone. No room for objectivism. You are a fool here no matter how smart you are out of it.

April 23, 2006 12:29 AM  
Blogger indianpeppone said...

Hmmm... there are abberations of behaviour with 'emotional web-laying' in both sexes, but it does manifest more into the physical in case of men. I think that both partners are insecure at the beginning or at different stages of a relationship and I have seen girls discuss their problems, its not a very guy like thing to do... So 'he' seeths and rants and lashes out at the source of the problem.........mayb.
I really dont think that there can be a perfect equality in the emotional strength level in a relationship.... either the guy or the gal WILL be in control. Everything depends on how he or she 'reacts' to that power.
That will b enough crap from me :-)

April 23, 2006 1:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont understand men hitting women or the other way around even...I always thought it was only on celluloid.

But later on in life i did come to know some women who dated guys that beat the daylights out of em and I never really comprehended what kept them in that relationship...

The women would always croon on how he was nice and would change and that he had said he was sorry, then gone on to beat her up again..

Interestingly they all were studying to be doctors, pharmacists and engineers. And i used to think that it would be an act of the uneducated...

And megha its not just the women who get beat up, i knew of one guy who would get his rear whipped like no ones business...

Relationships are a 2 way street, the person getting abused and staying in it is to bear some blame too. They chose day in and out to stay in that relationship ...one that ceased to be about 'us' to one about 'him' or 'her'...

I say what i did in light of personal exp as i did date a girl who used to be beat up, even after they broke up and when she was single because she she nursed a hope he would come back to her...

But not everything in life is logical, the heart has its reasons...

Good job on getting this issue out in the open and wicked call on the shades, seen the new roberto cavali collection, they remain to die for !

Have a nice day
Warm regards
g

April 23, 2006 2:02 AM  
Blogger Neodawn said...

Great article...

Two of my closest girlfriends, J & K, have experienced dating violence, yup that’s what they call it (You just Google “dating violence”, you will come to know it is something that is present the world over irrespective of countries and race).

Both have contemplated suicide at different points in time.

K, I got to know her after she underwent that phase, but still loved the guy. They were separated by distance, by continents. But the guy still managed to emotional black mail her & bitch her. She is now in a different relationship, but the new guy still has the traits of the older one. She said something like, I like people who are over obsessive and domineering over her. Period.

J, I knew her before she underwent the phase. But when she was in the relationship, as the author of this article pointed out, she distanced herself from all her boyfriends and girlfriends. She went through hell is an understatement. Fortunately, she is in a different relationship now, in which the guy is as liberal and caring one can find. He knows her whole past too. He does not mind. They got married today in Chennai.

This is one of the best resources on this topic.
http://www.loveisnotabuse.com/index.html

April 23, 2006 2:13 AM  
Blogger Anna said...

I have heard of this. But have never been in this situation - thank god! I can imagine the emotional abuse part... but i cannot imagine the physical abuse. I cannot understand how you ever put up with that, girl... You, of all people... But i guess it's all tied up with emotional dependence and really really liking him...
P.S.- Is this what you meant by 'psycho'?

April 23, 2006 2:17 AM  
Blogger SJ said...

Hi, I found your blog thru Reflextion's and this post had me transfixed. Thx for sharing your experiences it will certainly help me understand certain people around me better.

April 23, 2006 2:21 AM  
Blogger WishfulThinker said...

I thought it was very brave of you to put all this down in a post. I won't pretend to understand either a man who abuses women or a woman who puts up with his abuse and sticks by his side, but this post certainly was an eye-opener. Hope your friend can sort this mess out.

April 23, 2006 4:30 AM  
Blogger Rhea Verma said...

Hi,
That was a great post, it takes guts to write on such a difficult topic.This is so prevalent in our society, but many are afrid to come out openly about this issue. Fantastic work.I hope your friend in the coffee shop reads this.

Enlighten the world.........

Regards,
Rhea

April 23, 2006 7:22 AM  
Blogger RefleXtion said...

I wouldn’t have thought you were a victim babe...truly sorry to hear that...and I do get jealous too...and internally angry sometimes…guess I should keep that in check...I love your posts…opens my eyes to the big bad world……it’s so tame when I see it…

April 23, 2006 10:13 AM  
Blogger Negative Creep said...

Hey, WTF!!! I used to call my girlfriend a bitch. Of course, she always called me a bastard, so maybe i was the victim of emotional abuse too.

Damn, i ought to sue her...

April 23, 2006 11:37 AM  
Blogger Negative Creep said...

As for the post, i'm not one to tell anyone what they do, but abuse really sucks.

And true to my err, misogynist tendencies i'd like to point out that abuse, especially emotional abuse is not the sole domain of men.

April 23, 2006 11:39 AM  
Anonymous ashwini said...

oh my god. Girl I did not know that you went through all of this. thank you for writing about it. I have not checked your posts for a while, and when I check I see this. my god.

April 23, 2006 1:18 PM  
Blogger Essar said...

It's incredible but this entire cycle that you've catalogued is the same ALL THE TIME. The possesiveness, the resentment about friends which leads to complete isolation. I went through the same thing coz one of my closest friends went through such a relationship and well, thats what all of us helped her with. Just lending a ear.

April 23, 2006 1:28 PM  
Blogger Sriram said...

I'm actually a bit irritated (ok, that is an understatement -I'm hopping mad) with people throwing their hands up in the air and saying " oh why the fuck didn't the girl get out of it? isn't that the most obvious thing to do" and the likes. Seriously, have you ever been in a situation like that or even close to it? Insecurity and abuse are the keywords here and combine that with a guy who says " ooh.. i'm so sorry.. i hit you because I love you so much" and the girl doesn't see the obvious. That's the hardest part of all this and certain morons say "aww. that's the easiest part". Believe me, you haven't seen anything until you've been in such a situation or have a dear and near one in such a situation. So, the next time i hear " i can't believe the girl didn't see the obvious", I'm gonna shove a dynamite up that person's ass and blow it.

I've had a near and dear one in that situation and I've had to live through losing her (and no, thankfully, she got out of that relationship and is now happily married). so don't gimme " the girl should have seen it coming" crap.

April 23, 2006 3:45 PM  
Blogger Patrix said...

I know this may sound an inappropriate comparison but the "sinking in the quagmire cycle" sounds much like symptoms of hypothermia with hopefully less dire consequences. You feel cold, you shiver, you get stupid, and then you die.

From my experience of hearing such stories, sometimes lack of emotional or moral support keeps these women in such relationships. Education, smartness, or other characteristics mean little then. We can offer them all kind of support but the ultimate 'dumping' has to be done by the women in question. We can't help beyond a point.

Good post!

April 23, 2006 4:02 PM  
Blogger Sriram said...

Patrix,
I beg to differ. it isn't! its nothing like hypothermia nad it has nothing to do with stupidity either.

"We can offer them all kind of support but the ultimate 'dumping' has to be done by the women in question." - really? so, lemme get this straight. you shall offer help but what if the person in need of help is in no shape to accept your offer? what then? you walk away saying "the ultimate 'dumping' has to be done by the women in question."?

Just curious, cuz your comment is too ambiguous.

April 23, 2006 4:18 PM  
Blogger Ambar said...

Scary shit.

So what did happen to the girl-in-the- coffee-shop eventually? :-/

April 23, 2006 4:45 PM  
Anonymous confused said...

Sriram,

After you cool down and have shoved all the dynamite you wanted to shove, could you point out exactly what are ''we'' supposed to do? Now, if two consenting adults are having a relationship with no coercion involved, it is very difficult for any outsider to do anything. I think that is the point Patrix made. Yes, offer them help. support lines..and everything but the ''ultimate dumping has to be done by the girl''.

If you have any alternative to offer, why dont you tell Megha how should she help the girl in th cafe?

Kindly enlighten(after you are done with the dynamite that is)

April 23, 2006 6:44 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ sriram : two words: thank you. And I really mean it.

@ sheetal: * HUG* . I am so happy that I helped. I should be thaking you, Sheetal.

@ confused: the women around you will not put up with such treatment, because they have all the emotional support they need. They are emotionally stable and your ex had boyfriends like you who made her feel equal and kudos to you for that. But a huge majority of girls in such relationships do not have any emotional support and I have listed quite clearly as to why that happens.

@ nath: I have gone through all the points step by step and you still fail to understand. Anyhoo, you will not understand until you put yourself IN that situation or you ARE in that situation. Because when I look back at myself, I do not recognise that person. Thats what happens to you. You are almost in a trance and you want to break free but you cant. And love does NOT bind you to the person. FEAR does. Or rather FEAR mistakenly understood for 'love'.

@ aytida: good luck on finding a girl mate! :D

@ mahima: how many times have I told you that the similarites between us are strange? And now this.
Woman, I know how you feel. I was exactly in the same situation as you can see from the post. But sometimes the emotional abuse is worse......its downright appalling.
* hugs *

@ bharat: I did not get what youre trying to imply. Pray can we be more specific?

@ indianpeppone: Actually you have a point there. Youre not spewing forth crap as you think you are. But he lashes out at the "source of the problem".....huh? And what are you insinuating?

@ girish: oooooo roberto cavalli!
* runs off to check out the online catalog*

April 23, 2006 6:58 PM  
Blogger Patrix said...

Sriram,

Confused has answered your question (and nope, we aren't the same person). It ultimately boils down to what the person in questions WANTS to do. If she doesn't leave the guy, she is probably in a position where she doesn't think that it's that big a deal even (though the first time a guy hits a girl is indeed a big deal for me). Without infringing on her individual right to think independently, I can make no contribution without her having taken the first step.

Trust me, without going into details I can say that I am speaking from experience.

Megha, I would like to know what advice did you finally offer her and how did she react to it? I hate to see an intelligent woman subject herself to such 'stupidity'.

April 23, 2006 7:09 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ neodawn: I am hapy for j. I really am. As for k, she needs help. Badly.

@ anna: see, I'm not too sure about the really really-'liking' him part. I 'thought' I did, but when I look back on it, it was fear, pure and simple. I thought he would kill me, if I left him. I really did. And yes, thats what I meant by 'psycho'.

@ sj: thank you. I can only try.:)

@ wishful thinker: Thanks yo. that really means a lot to me.

@ rhea verma: I hope it does rhea. I really hope she reads it. But I am keeping tabs on her.

@ reflextion: since when did you become reflextion?:P
Thank you daa. I know you wont let your anger get the best of you.:)

@ Bhanuj: har har. But I dont want to get your joke. And tell me, do you have to bring out your misogynistic points here? This is a personal post. I only talked about what I went through, and what most women go through in a similar situation. So how am I being 'unfair to men' or whatever for you to say 'abuse, especially emotional abuse is not the sole domain of men.'?
Did I ever mention that abuse was the sole domain of men...yadda yadda or anything along those lines?
I dont think so.

@ ashwini: thanks ashwini. I know I havent seen you here for a while.And I checked desipundit like 5 mins ago. thanks for the tip off.

@ essar: It really is isnt it? That cycle is pretty much exactly the same, just switch the location and the scenarios. Thats all. Is your friend ok now? I hope shes gotten out of it.

@ patrix: education means nothing patrix. You NEED emotional and moral support. Why is so goddamn important? Cos it will give you the strength to leave the shithead of a boyfriend. And thanks.

@ ambar: her situation is in limbo. I keep tabs on her, but I cant help but feel more frantic as the days go by. :|

April 23, 2006 7:19 PM  
Blogger Negative Creep said...

I was only pointing that out of course.. Somebody's gotta be the prick around here.

And i don't know if you're a Tool fan or not, but check out the song Pushit, it deals with the same situation, and in a beautiful way... And i don't mean preaching, patronising beautiful, but honest, empathetic, emotional beautiful.

April 23, 2006 7:30 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

wonderful Bhanuj. Please be the prick. It befits you. and yes I do listen to tool.
My fav album is Lateralus actually, but Undertow is a close second.

I need to get a hold of Aenima. The only tracks Ive listen to from this album are Forty six & 2 and useful idiot.

I think I'll listen to pushit later on in the day after work.

April 23, 2006 8:10 PM  
Blogger Prashanth said...

The classic case of "Escalation of Commitment"... its always fuzzy, the decision to make in such situations. One tends to take the easy way out at first, which is to "wait and see, it ought to get better"... since the alternative spells guilt and depression. In many cases there is no clear-cut sign that says, "Leave now", but physical violence? I've never understood how a girl can continue to pretend that such a relationship can be good. But you are right, a third person's view is often what is required to lift the veil, and see the light... but such topics are invariably difficult to talk about, even with good friends. Perhaps, especially with good friends. You should talk to girl-in-a-coffee-shop, and explain that there is nothing wrong in breaking off and making a fresh start, when the relationship is clearly mired in unhappiness.

April 23, 2006 10:36 PM  
Blogger bharat said...

I was referring to the whole push-me-pull-you stick to each other commitment thingy. Did i make anything close to sense?

April 23, 2006 11:27 PM  
Blogger indianpeppone said...

No insinuations...
the problem as in HIS perception!!

and as far as I am concerned, the girl or the guy will stay in the relationship as long as it doesnt cross their treshold....and its diff. for everyone, so I feel that one shouldnt advice...just offer support (as u did in the coffee house case)

April 24, 2006 1:59 AM  
Blogger Sue said...

I've never been abused (far from it, really) but I know a friend or two who really need to read this.

You know, sometimes I worry whether my ex-boyfriends/present husband ever felt/feels abused... I hope they all continue to love me anyway! I'm nice in non-Mr. Hyde times.

April 24, 2006 3:38 AM  
Blogger Vasu the terrible said...

I just dont understand.. I come from a different era where having a girl friend or boy friend is not like owning a cellphone...

i dont understand this massive exuberance and sudden exasperation people show when they go out to gather...

I sincierely feel most people who hook up early in life dont know what they want. Many of them arent even adults in the true sense.

I dont understand violence too. Violence is a clear indicator of people who are severely bottled up in their minds. Those who with a tremendous sense of inferiority.

Violence is again not just physical, an intent to harm someone is violence. It can be subtle, verbal and emotional.

Once in a while you do get angry and shout. But the borders are thin.. If you take your anger too seriously and not look upon it as a temporary reaction to increased bloodpreasure, you cross the line.

If you communicate clearly with people about your needs, expectation and if there is transparency and honesty in the relationship there would never be this build up of past percieved hurt making normal angry reaction to a violent one.

I think anyone who still continues on in a violent relationship need help. To reassure them of a life without that person. I feel sorry for them.

I think abuses are a manifestation of tremendous sense of personal failure, feeling of inferiority and breakdown of trust. The violence itself is unpardonable and unacceptable.

I see it as a general manifestation of trustless relationships.


Bein yuppy, hippy, coool... I care a rat shit for all these things. You got to have humanity... otherwise might is right and the karma of violence will turn around to get you one day..

Being educated has no corelation for social behaviour. And we need to watch out for this corelation. I have seen domestic violence inflicted on a PhD by another PhD... It surprises me that people still hold degrees and education as some holy grail of social behaviour.

vasu

April 24, 2006 3:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is like u are writing the story of my life. not exactly but still. i am going through emotional abuse in my current realtionship. and i know whatu mean exactly. it is difficult to get out of it. i am not insecure myself but i know he is. he has issues and i have tried to handle it all for a while now. i can't handle it and i am trying very hard to get out of it. to the world i am a very confident person who seems to be in total control of the situation. i don't talk about what happens between me and him.....even when i try to people just say...'oh..he is such a nice guy. such little things happen'. maybe it is because i don't express myself well enough. because it is really not a little thing. this post tells me i am not alone. other ppl face the same situations. and they have all survived. i will to. thanks megha.
i choose to be anonymous not because i am a loser. but i am not ready for ppl to know as yet. im holding on to my smoke screen a lil longer. will let go soon

April 24, 2006 4:33 AM  
Blogger kaushik said...

i cant believe people stick with such relations.....no matter however close you are to a person, you would still want your personal space, choices on what to do, who to be friends with etc.....i see no reason why love for a person should allow that person to control your life...
as you said, probably the third red flag, is where the full stop has to be put...

may be not abuse, but have seen a lot of emotional control the gf's have over the guys here......and all the time it leaves me disgusted!

April 24, 2006 6:31 AM  
Blogger Nahuatl said...

I admire your courage, truly. Whatever you said was absolutely true.

People are lonely out there and they need support. But when their "support" sucks life out of them, somebody has to interfere. You cannot let any person go down just like that, whether its a guy or a girl.

Many guys have the above mentioned tendencies, which affects people surrounding them. Girls also have different ways to crash a guy's life.. but I think we are not targetting one gender.. I think we shouldn't. If there is a problem, it needs a solution. And you have given some very good tips.

If anybody read this post carefully, I think he/she should know how to take first few steps.

Thanks Megha for keeping everybody aware of the monsters which we humans are. They need to be controlled.

April 24, 2006 7:29 AM  
Blogger Morpheus said...

Good to read this entry. I think the most likely to get targetted ARE women from liberal backgrounds who are confident and outspoken..because I think we (yes I shall count myself in) dont ever think / imagine that 'we' shall be in a situation like that. We are far too confident that no one would try that one on us..but when stuck in such a situation very little help is received coz no one who knows 'you' would ever imagine that you would be caught in this situation.
Violence is Not Allowed, not even once.
this is what I ask about it
http://m0rph3us.blogspot.com/2006/03/hit.html

April 24, 2006 9:10 AM  
Blogger Sriram said...

Patrix,
Oh, you make me laugh. read your own lines and for your benefit, lemme help you..
"f she doesn't leave the guy, she is probably in a position where she doesn't think that it's that big a deal even (though the first time a guy hits a girl is indeed a big deal for me). Without infringing on her individual right to think independently, I can make no contribution without her having taken the first step." -

Not that big a deal? You think the girl in question thinks it ain't a big deal? Seriously, wake up to reality mate. More on this later. I'm in the middle of something. Just dropped in to check on Megha.

April 24, 2006 11:27 AM  
Blogger Drops Of Jupiter said...

Oh hell to the no... uh uh.. When you said previously that your ex was a douchebag I had seriously NO IDEA!

I am considering myself very lucky right now...

April 24, 2006 12:29 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ prashanth: see physical violence is used by the abuser, when he is absolutely sure(or he has made sure by breaking down her support systems) that his girlfriend is a goner emotionally. Makes sense? And yes, I do talk to girl-in-the-coffee-shop, but one mention of her boyfriend and she retreas into her shell. I need to approach her differently.

@ bharat: kinda...errr...d'oh!

@ indianpeppone: ahh now I get it. Yes, offering advice usually works the wrong way in these situations, it never sat well with me. Only emotional support helps, and loads of it.

@ sue: hee hee....you sure theyre not traumatized or something, by your errr....lovin.....*runs away before sue can throw something at her *

@ vasu: huh? now how did this 'having a girl friend or boy friend is not like owning a cellphone' fit the context of this post? So are you saying that this abuse is a new thing? If you are, please...err wake up vasu. This kinda abuse has been around irrespective of time, age, social class....etc. I chose to focus on a certain strata of society because I belong to it.

'I sincierely feel most people who hook up early in life dont know what they want.'

ok. Again, why are you passing judgement? This post is not about morals or ethics or whatever. This post is just to highlight an abusive realtionship and how it works. Jeez.

April 24, 2006 12:56 PM  
Blogger Neodawn said...

I did some searching on the net to have a better understanding what my friends, J & K, went through. I being a guy, my logical mind was shouting the most obvious answer: “GET THE HELL OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP”…

The most obvious solution for an external observer is the most impossible one for the victim, for the very simple fact she does not even see it. No matter how much you try to reason with her, she will keep repeating the mantra: “He LOVES me”.

Lot of fellow bloggers who have commented on this post, are still confused how come they stick to such a relationship. From my personal experience, I would like to give an analogy that would help one to get a better understanding about dating violence.

For example, take a child who has been presented by a nice toy that has captured his (or her) imagination. What will the child do with it?

He will always want to play with it.
He will not share it with anybody.
He will care for it so much that, he will keep it under the pillow while sleeping or hide it from others.
He would love it very much.
He will see to that nobody breaks it.
He will be over obsessed with it.

Now if in any instance, the toy does not behave as it would normally behave, the way as he expects it to behave, he would not even think twice before hitting it to the ground to see whether it works now. But it does not deter the fact he does not love it.

Now replace the child with a mature guy and the toy with the girl, you will get the picture.

Simply in such an abusive relationship, the girl cannot afford to have a mind of their own. They just have to behave as per the rule set by the guy. She is so brainwashed (partly by him and partly by auto-suggestion) that even if it was a mistake/wrong assumption by the guy, she will think that she is at fault but will not exactly know what wrong she did. She will desperately want to know the reason, so that she can correct it and keep him happy. This is when she goes into the shell and severs contact from the rest of her world. But after doing all this, the guy will still complain for one reason or another or for no reason. It is this desperation that she is pushed to the limits, where she even contemplates suicide.

I think it gives you some insight into the minds of guy and the girl. I might have over simplified it, but it is very close to reality.

April 24, 2006 12:57 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ anon: Thank YOU! I know why you havent chosen to disclose your identity. I understand. *hugs*. But if you ever need someone to talk to...please email me. Your identity is safe with me.

@ kaushik: but do you know how much control the guys have over the girls? Im just asking.

@ nahuatl: I know. This post is not 'targeted' at any gender. I did write it from a girls point of view though. But as you said, when read carefully it can be applied to both genders. And thank you.:)

@ morpheus: YES! That was my point exactly. Thank you. You have articulated it perfectly. Nobody ever expects women from a seemingly modern household to put up with such crap, so it is dutifully ignored. And when it happens, nobody really offers help, cos they never really expected it to 'happen'. Thanks. Really.

@ drops of jupiter: yeap. Thats what I meant, when I said douche-bag. :(

April 24, 2006 1:10 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ neodawn: clap clap......PERFECT analogy. And that is exactly what I was. I always thought it was my fault. Whatever the fuck I did, he was always complaining. So much so, that my self esteem took a severe beating and I started to TRULY believe that I was sooooo goddamn flawed.
You analogy is sooo true, and so perfect.....words fail me.

April 24, 2006 1:14 PM  
Blogger Negative Creep said...

Yeah, you do need to get a hold of Ænima. and they have a new record out May 2nd

April 24, 2006 1:39 PM  
Blogger Swapna said...

Very well written.

While I didn't exactly go through physical abuse, I did go through a lot of emotional abuse with my ex-boyfriend. We went out for 3 years and I finally managed to get out of it.

Megha, you're so right in that it is FEAR - fear of what he will do. While I did withdraw a lot from my friends, I am so grateful they never gave up on me. In fact, even though some of my friends only knew the lying and manipulating he did, they don't know how he made me feel like I wouldn't have any friends if it were not for him and that I have respect only because of him.

It's been 3 years since I left him and when I look back, I think to myself - how stupid I was and how different I was. Near the end of the relationship, I had absolutely no self-respect. I had to find out who I was all over.

Thankfully, I didn't have to go through any physical abuse.

Thanks for the post. I do hope more people read it and become aware that if they are in such a relationship, they should NOT BE.

April 24, 2006 3:39 PM  
Blogger Patrix said...

Sriram, honestly I don't see anything to laugh about...about my comment or about the situation that Megha writes about. Probably you should go back and read your response to my comment and then my comment again.

Let me get this straight, the girl would be ready to dump his ass the moment he even lays his hand on her in an offensive manner. Why she wouldn't do so is beyond me.

Remember, Megha is writing about a yuppie urban relationship not some gaon-ki-gori dukhiyaari. As long as you ask for help or show that you need help, there are enough people to help you.

April 24, 2006 9:30 PM  
Blogger Casablanca said...

Glad that your Mom stood by you... and I hope your friend sees the light. The main problem is that people refuse to talk about such situations in their relationship. They carry around their guilt and bottling it up makes it worse. I hope people realise that not all relationships are supposed to be perfect, and if its not, you CAN share it with your friends without betraying your partner.

April 24, 2006 10:47 PM  
Anonymous anonymous girl said...

i don't know, most readers here have agreed with you but i choose to differ. well, in a way. i don't stand by uninterrupted abuse in a relationship and i'm definitely not the morality police (far from it, in fact), but i do believe that the line between healthy obsessiveness and abuse is very blurred, and a person often doesn't realize when they overstep the border. and i don't believe it's just a "man thing" either. in fact, i am a woman and i'm insecure and if i had the power i'd probably have been more restrictive over my boyfriend (once again clarifying, i'm single actually and with no specific memory colouring my judgement so this is a neutral observation). in a non-patriarchial world (but a non-matriarchial world as well, just a neutral world), if we can imagine one, i think a woman would've been much more guilty of control and abuse because even if it comes down to just the biological differences women is probably more insecure than men - they lose their looks faster than men lose their libido.

i do admit the existence and the seriousness of the ugly incidents you've described, but i would rather blame it on the system (of patriarchy that is) than the men themselves. the man probably feel as much abused in such a relationship as the woman. yes, often his complaints are totally unfair, but he doesn't think they're unfair, which is probably because he has been conditioned with the wrong set of values, which is, once again, more a fault of the system than his own. and the fact that the man has the power to do such massive abuse at all, which the woman does not have, is most obviously a fault of the system. when one opponent in a game of two equals gains unjust power, the outcome is bound to be unfair.

coming down to the practical world, i would still rather be in a relationship which has obsession and something always going back and forth, not merely mutual respect and adoration, because over time that tends to get quite unreal. yes, i won't continue in a relationship where abuse becomes more of a reality than love, and yes, i say that confidently because i've extricated myself more than once from such situations and didn't look back, and yes, i am stronger than most women both ideologically and psychologically --- but if i have to go for a relationship, i'll once again choose an obsessive-dependent man over someone who gives me too much space.

you're a feminist darling, i'm a post-feminist. i start from the basic premise that men are exactly equal to women, and build up my justifications from there. but you're older, smarter and have seen more of life. let me hear what you have to say about my take.

April 25, 2006 1:49 AM  
Blogger RefleXtion said...

Hmmmm…interesting comments…guys’ feelings, girls feelings…you’re never going to know unless the communication between the couple is as transparent as possible….I remember being totally frustrated in a certain relationships cuz I could not tell the other person how I felt, she just didn’t want to listen and we just keep arguing…there were constant misunderstandings and someone ends up lying just to avoid unpleasantness and then the other person finds out and then BOOM! If the couple is mature enough to talk about each others expectations and some kinda ‘relationship rules’- what they want, when their ego gets hurt, what’s bugging them, what they expect from each other, discuss situations, things become easier to deal with and you realize if you are compatible or not. The precondition obviously is that both the guy and the girl must “be present” and “listening”.

@ Megha

Resolution is a name that I want to reserve for something else di:D

April 25, 2006 2:30 AM  
Blogger that girl in pink said...

your post was very touching. and alarming at the same time. I know of so many friends who've been in abusive relationships (if not physical, def emotional) I myself had a boyfriend who had more a passing jealous streak.

it's not easy to get out of such relationships, especially if you really care for the guy. although that is the only right thing to do.

girl in coffee shop: get out. millions of women have gone through what you have, and it never gets better. there's no excuse for such abuse and nobody deserves it.

April 25, 2006 2:35 AM  
Blogger that girl in pink said...

anon girl : i get what you're saying. every relationship is different and its upto the people in it to choose what they're willing to put up with and what they aren't.

it's complicated really, when i was younger i had this strong belief that if my partner ever cheated on me, i would walk out, no questions asked. i'm older now, been through my own relationships and seen plenty of others' relationships. now i know it's not that simple.

maybe one way of deciding what's acceptable and what isn't is to ask yourself, "am i happy?" not in moments, but on the whole. "am i happy and myself and fulfilled in this realtionship?"

but then again, who knows what happiness truly is...

yup, it's complicated!

April 25, 2006 2:50 AM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ bhanuj: oooo really! I must get a hold of it then.

@ swapna: I am sooooooo glad that you got out. And yup. When I look back, I dont even recognize that person. I really dont. And thanks for linking to my post swapna. *hug*

@ patrix: *sits back comfortably and settles with the popcorn* ....Im kidding.:)

@ casa: mums are the best:).
And I hope these women have that realization. Unfortunately these women ( and I include myself: when I was 17)are pretty much brainwashed out of FEAR. Once that cycle of fear is broken, it becomes easy to get out.

April 25, 2006 2:54 AM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ anon girl: So what youre basically saying is that the system is to blame in its entirety, and the guy in question is not to blame at all cos' he thinks of himself as a victim too.

I have a couple of problems with that. Firstly, I will begin by agreeing with you that the system is to blame for his conditioning. But, that patriarchal, societal conditioning applies to every damn guy in some way or the other. It really does. Is every damn guy walking on the street an abuser? The answer is a big fat NO. Only a small percentage of men out there are abusers. Which brings us back to your point. It is simply not plausible.

Next, your 'system is to blame' and 'men are also victims' standpoint looks more like an escape-route for the men than the actual cause of the problem. Societal conditioning is too ambiguous a reason to attribute it as the sole cause of his abusive behavior. What about his family situation? What about his psychological conditioning? Maybe he had an abusive dad or mom. Maybe he's seen abusive behavior very often when he was a child, and to his mind( in the growing, impressionable years) it might seem like acceptable behavior.
But that does not make his actions right.
And let me give you an analogy to drive my point further. For example, a substantial amount of serial killers usually believe quite sincerely that what they 'do' is right, and they will never admit otherwise.
So since they do not believe that their actions are wrong, does that mean that they are 'victimised' as well? The answer is NO. They HAVE to take responsibility for their actions.

Bottom line, abusers are abusers. They have to take responsibility (or made to take responsibility by the law or other agents) for their actions irrespective of what they 'believe' or 'think'.

And as to what 'kind' of relationships you prefer, that is entirely left at your discretion. Since you have mentioned that you know how to get out of a situation if it gets a little too uncomfortable, I mean its completely your take as to what kind of 'guy' you like and I cant comment on that.

@ girl in pink: thank you. I know its horrible and frightening. As to girl in the coffee shop, I am almost at the point of winning her trust so all is not lost after all. Though I feel that its taking wayyy too much time and anything can happen you know?

April 25, 2006 4:37 AM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ reflextion: Clap clap clap! point taken daa! :D

April 25, 2006 5:11 AM  
Anonymous G said...

Its one of life's more distressing questions I suppose why some men are susceptible to violence towards women and some aren't....I have a fearsome temper and yet I have never even come close to slugging a woman...insecurity, social conditioning all play a part but the decisive factor methinks is tacit social tolerance of that kind of violence ....excusing one's own non-interference by arguing that one doesn*t have all the facts or that it is none of one' business...well, I hope the kid sorts herself oout with or without your help, punkster.....as for the scumbag, hope he walks into a moving truck

April 25, 2006 5:21 PM  
Blogger Siddhu said...

Omg! That's f*cking crazy. Didn't know these kinda guys existed outside the 'mama find me a bride' circle.

But don't you think some guys can just be possessive cuz they're insecure, and dont really descend into abuse.

I am not justifying possessive people - I hate them, and have had enough of them - starting with the guy who beat me up in school cuz the girl he 'loved' (who did not deign to recognize him) spoke to me. And femaledom is unfortunately not completely devoid of them, trust me. And they can be as bad, cuz a possessive woman can seriously lead you like a dog on a leash, though they thankfully never batter you - physically, at least :P

April 25, 2006 10:10 PM  
Blogger Siddhu said...

That was a long comment, and hope it made sense, if not forgive me - havent had good sleep for more than 24 hours (and am reading blogs instead of sleeping :P - and that's a huge compliment! )

Which reminds me of another thing I read somewhere else (written by, undeniably, a slightly misogynistic chap) -- about how women end up with the complete assholes, while really nice guys who wouldn't do such a thing - and quite possibly like with the girl themselves - remain just friends. Or maybe is it the same nice guys who turn to be bastards when in a position of power?

Oh, and yeah, go, girl-in-coffee-shop!

April 25, 2006 10:13 PM  
Blogger Siddhu said...

And yeah, last bit I wanted to say. Basically what I'm saying is - more than a man being cruel to woman thing, I think it's a more 'dominant partner extracting full control of the submissive one'.

To talk from the past, whenever I've had arguments with a certain someone, I realized I always ended up being the person apologizing. From that point on, the other person gains the upper hand. And once she (talking from a guy's perspective) does so, you become victim to her caprice. Which can lead to (a) either you desperately clinging on to a relationship which causes u more and more pain, or (b) you being unceremoniously dumped with nary a reason.

April 25, 2006 10:17 PM  
Blogger Gaya said...

:|

Hats off...

April 26, 2006 1:37 AM  
Blogger Agarwaen Mormegil said...

fortunately, nne of my addresses their girl friends as a whore. bitch or in any other ferms of foul profanity. but i still do think that their personnal matters should be sorted out by them people unless the situation turns violent or grieveous enough to interfere.
you gotta take hits, blows, punches if you want to fall in love and stay in a relationship. no one said that it would be a bed of roses.
and that "friends disownment" stage happens wuite a lot. but the guy is just being possessive. the girl has to get tough with him.
have a nice day. cheers. :D

April 26, 2006 2:45 AM  
Blogger IRIS said...

WOW!!! You are SO damn right about the red flags!!! And we always just seem to ingore them all the time........till we ve learnt better. Fabulous post gurl:-) Truly Hats off!!!

April 26, 2006 3:59 AM  
Blogger Vasu the terrible said...

@megha - I deplore violence of any kind anywhere. But chose to react to it in the context you had elucidated. Its not any moral judgement. Isnt it true that most people when they are 16 or 17 are children who arent yet mature enough to handle rejection or emotional states inherant in any relationship ?

I know it is about inherant respect and equality for the opposite sex. Even a mature marriage would lack it, but all the more so the puppy love we see today whic are filled with raging harmones, jelousy and possesiveness...

You cant arrest the puppy and put him in jail can you ? You cant book a loverboy in a case of domestic violence can you ? All you can do is book him for assault and the case would not even go to court.

All I can exhibit is sympathy for the girl and say she needs help to get out. If she is blind enough not to see whats happening, her friends need to tell her and end it there..

My point is this violence is inherant in the tough conditions within which relationships exist and putting up with this violence in the guise of "I cant do it" is not going to help.

We all can sympathise and like someone said, "Only the girl can get out".

My sympathies are with people who are affected by it..

vasu
vasu

April 26, 2006 6:13 AM  
Blogger Deepti said...

oh my!! To be honest.. I jus' can't imagine myself in a situation taking shit like that and making excuses for the person!! It must be really terrible!! What makes a person stick on when it's that bad?? don't they realise that it's heading nowhere???

April 26, 2006 7:00 AM  
Blogger Primalsoup said...

Nicely written.
I can only imagine the hell that the lady you mentioned must be going through. I wonder what keeps her in the relationship... hope, perhaps...

I also don't think it is a gender thing. I bet there are large number of men who are inflicted trauma by women... of course, not a black eye perhaps!

April 26, 2006 12:06 PM  
Blogger nikita said...

a brilliant post. and honest.
good for you.
and i shall keep my fingers firmly crossed for the woman in the coffee shop. distressing to see this as a real situation instead of something on a movie screen...you know it is based on some sort of facts..but you don't need to deal with it in any real way.

April 26, 2006 5:55 PM  
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April 26, 2006 10:11 PM  
Blogger RefleXtion said...

Ok open house question.........

Are MALE Beer Drinkers a Turn Off?? Why???

April 27, 2006 1:54 AM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ girish: hee hee, I have seen shades of your temper by reading your posts esp the political ones. :)

@ siddhu, siddhu and siddhu: ooooo is that a compliment? Then thankee! * takes a bow *....as for the post I only spoke from a personal standpoint. I wasnt trying to point fingers or anything at any particular gender. You can apply the points Ive mentioned and switch genders and itll still be perfectly applicable. :D....makes sense now? SO GO STUDY!......and I loved the 'mama find me a bride' bit! Brilliant!

@ gaya, iris: thank you! thank you!

@ sayan: what 'hit, punches, beatings' man? You better run boy, before you incur the wrath of the PUNK! And I think I should warn your future girlfriend.....:P

@ vasu: I do see where age can prove detrimental to a relationship due to lack of maturity. But, I have seen abuse in a lot of adult relationships as well. so my point is that age or otherwise, this abuse actually stems from insecurity....a severely insecure being can wreak havoc in any relationship.

@ deepti: see deepti, that is my point. You will not know how hard it is, unless you are in the relationship. If you want to understand, scroll upwards in this comments box and read the brilliant analogy provided by Neodawn. Itll give you a basic idea as to how this kind of relationship works..:)

@ primalsoup: oh no no no. Its not a gender thing at all. I only focused on one gender cos' this post became very personal as I was typing it out. But reverse genders in the scenarios Ive given, and itll be pretty applicable as well.

@ nikita: I know yo. You dont want these things to happen in real life, you soooo wish that itll stop with the celluloid, but sadly that never happens. And thanks a ton.

@ reflextion: HUH? enna da, what happened? And to answer your question, I personally dont like the taste of beer. But I have no problems with other people drinking beer, I mean its their taste right?

April 27, 2006 2:31 AM  
Anonymous Not_So_ Agree_With_Post_Guy !!!! said...

Good Post.. but possessiveness is a major part of an relationship.. i believe without that there is no emotional connect.. but the big question.. how much possessive can a person get and how much the other person can take.. and that serosuly depends from person to person

'Step 1: The first ominous sign:

You have a date tonight. This is your fourth date. You refused to see him today, because you have a 15 page paper...'

What would you do if ur boy freind gives u the same reason.. u would u tell him 'Great.. finish ur paper...'

What works for one person may not work for another... where u draw the line is upto u.. it's when the mind starts workin and the heart finally agress to let go... no red flags or checklist can help u...

girl-in-the-coffee-shop : start thinkin...

April 27, 2006 2:47 AM  
Blogger Artful Badger said...

Quite an interesting post. The comments were also good to read.

I think the primary thing here is you cannot go into a relationship hoping that it would provide you with everything that was missing earlier. If you were already happy, the relationship would be a positive enjoyable one. If you were already a disturbed insecure soul, the relationship will make your life hell. It becomes pretty much your only source of emotional fulfillment, and you become all clingy and dependant, and very very desperate.

Somehow, I feel girls are just as likely to take on manipulative roles as guys. Of course, there is no violence.

April 27, 2006 3:24 AM  
Blogger Artful Badger said...

What I feel is that having good friends, doing work that you like and being a happy satisfied soul is a pre-requisite to getting into a healthy relationship. You don't keep worrying if the relatioship is going to fail, and that pretty much ensures that you do not behave in a dysfunctional manner.

April 27, 2006 3:29 AM  
Blogger Vishnupriya said...

Its possibly as difficult for someone who really cares, and tries to be there, but realises that she can't not be apalled by her man's behaviour, and can't not tell her to leave him. The moment you do that, you are cut off, and have no chance of ever helping her, but at the same time, it kills you to see something like this happen and you being unable to help because she won't let you.

April 27, 2006 7:13 AM  
Blogger anna-rchy said...

hey megha, cant tell you how much of the past your post has brought back. will take me some time but im going to write about what i went through too. thank you so much. hug

April 27, 2006 7:15 AM  
Blogger Deepti said...

ummm... excellent analogy that was ...

April 27, 2006 7:39 AM  
Anonymous dawdler said...

Abusing is atrocious, no doubt, but the matter of mind games goes both ways... i dont want to reduce this to men vs women mis-doings trial but i have some exemplary cases when the abuse is mental and more often than not frm the she part of the relationship...Relationships bring in possesiveness and insecurity to the fore in some and kindles the worst of behavior...

April 27, 2006 1:55 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

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April 27, 2006 2:27 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ not so agree with post guy: errr, if he had a 15 page paper due the next day, Im pretty sure that I would have let him go and not seen him that day, for it is only fair. I think ANYONE would have understood the seriousness of that situation.

@ ramani: I agree with what you say, mostly. But I think Ive repeated myself umpteen times, that I wrote this post from a personal perspective. And I dont think I was biased in any way. Even if you switch genders, the scenarios I have described in the post will be perfectly applicable.:)

@ vishnupriya: and thats exactly how I feel, when it comes to dealing with the girl-in-the-coffee-shop. Its like treading on broken glass.

@ anna chronism: Thank you. I really really mean it. *HUG*

@ deepti: wasnt it? Neodawn has broken it down perfectly.

@ dawdler: refer to my answer for Ramani's comment.

April 27, 2006 2:29 PM  
Blogger Generally_Speaking said...

Very Very interesting post and comments. Thank you for sharing your personal experience with your readers. It must have been extremely traumatic for you and I am glad that you got out of it.

I Read a few comments wherein guys/gals said that they could not understand why people do not get out of the relationship.

Please understand that it is difficult for victims to leave abusive relationships. And recovery is tough but not impossible. One has to have a very good support system.

And Abuse is not restricted to men being abusive with women, there are instances of women being abusive with men too. It is in my opinion, dependent entirely on the abuser's mentality rather than gender.

Some very good links for people interested in learning more about it.

http://www.recovery-man.com/abusive/abusive.htm

http://counseling.uoregon.edu/abuse.htm

http://www.enotalone.com/92-1.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/relationships/domestic_violence/youhh_index.shtml

http://home.earthlink.net/~elnunes/abuse.htm

http://www.batteredmen.com/batabuse.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-11-30-opcom_x.htm

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts465694.aspx

Some links on Healing from Abuse:

http://advice7.com/emotions_feelings/endingabuse.html

http://www.verbalabuse.com/3.shtml

There is a very good e-book out there called "Tears and Healing"

http://tearsandhealing.com/

If you are interested or know anybody who may be living in an abusive relationship, then you can suggest that they sign up to the free newsletter on this website. It has excerpts from the book and can help the person to identify whether they are being abused or not...and how they should get out of the relationship.

April 27, 2006 4:28 PM  
Blogger KK said...

Well nothing new to say...good post and very true that its not so easy to come out of a relationship...but if the situations are really bad the person affected should not abstain from thinking otherwise...

Nice template...morning it was the old template and suddenly new template in the evening... :-)

April 27, 2006 6:34 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

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April 27, 2006 7:16 PM  
Blogger G said...

You write eloquently...pretty stirring prose about a pretty grim subject....

April 27, 2006 7:36 PM  
Anonymous chandni said...

Great post megha. Was contemplating writing one on it as well...

For people who feel confused or think its exaggeration: Violence in a relationship is not a figmrnt of imagination. It has a lot of more subtle nuances as well. If its not beating..its verbal or emotional abuse. When one person in the relationship emotionally blackmails..."you would do this if you love me"..its abig sign of an unhealthy relationship...

The other person gives in , little by little...and before they know it, they're in deep shit..because there comes a time when you're truly stuck...cant stay in, cant get out.

I remember having a friend in college...one of the women I ruly admired. Smart, intellegent and hell of a looker. And stuck with a stupid BF who beat her up coz "he doesnt have a job. He's going thru a phase". Well...we all have to understand that making excuses for why any sort of violence is taking place is a defense to come to terms with one's oen vulnerablity...

but no excuse will do. And there is just no excuse for any one to be violent in a relationship.

Sadly, a third person can help only as much coz its the abused who has to realise what they're stuck with and uless they wanna gt out, one can just watch...

I hope all abused people find the courage in themselves to seek help, to get out.

April 27, 2006 9:28 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ generally speaking: thanks and as for your gender statement, please scroll up and read the answer I have given to Ramani's comment.

@ kk: I know, and I worked on it myself too! Didnt pick a free template from somewhere online, I used an image I had and I completely tweaked the existing template:)

@ G: thank you!

@ chandni: I know! thats what Ive been repeating over and over again, its very easy to act all confused and say "but why cant she just get out"...its not as easy as that at all.
Thanks Chandni.....:)

April 28, 2006 11:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1) Aiyo...Aiyo...idhu enna Sinna Pullathananmalla irukku!!

2) Grow up girls! Everything will be alright.

3) What you guys are whining about is here nothing but human Psychology.

4) Stop exploring for a while! Stay Still!!

5) Study yourself really well before you commit.

6) All the problems will come to an end, if you know deeply know who you really are, and what do u want out of this life.

7) So, try to know yourself well, then the rest Universe will take care of it. It is just there.

if Possible try to get a book "path to love' by Deepak Chopra, would really help you guys to know right from wrong.
Good Luck,

A Truth Seeker.

P.S: Let us stop blaming others, let us look within ourselves, first.

April 29, 2006 11:02 AM  
Blogger Premalatha said...

Megha,
I have linked you at my site. Hope you don't mind.

April 29, 2006 12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ironically we as a couple started reading your blog together. I finished reading and said this wholething is exagerrated and he said it is absolutely possible and realistic. WHAT? I was screaming, because many many lines reminded me all the list of complaints my EX gave to me! (I lost my friends because of you etc., you are too possessive, jealous etc,) and he said he was reading it as if that is what I went through with my EX and that he was the CONTROLLER and I was not aware. I said my EX wasnt that bad with the same defensiveness and wondered who the hell I am defending now and to who? But before that thought popped up fully I was already uttering it wasnt so and I couldnt let it be done to me! And I asked him, am I doing it to you? and wondered, if he can really answer it straight, but he was answering, no you are not. You were pliable very well in your prior case because of this very ability to feel guilty readily. Then we talked about how women who are ready to feel guilty are the best candidates and how men could have been abused too, and went on to how parents emotionally black mail children who are married creating classic in-law mess up, and all that, and voila your comments shows that you have covered non-gender issue elegantly. Gals I got a guy who actually understands this whole scenario beautifully and my EX is happily married now! I am sure either I or my EX indeed escaped an abuse. Come on get on with life and be happy.

April 29, 2006 2:19 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ anon: its pretty hard to look at ourselves when we are being beaten up. Pretty errr....inconvenient too. And its also hard to see what we want....if our so called bfs are the epitome of charm and grace and on the other spectrum they have fits of terrible rage it becomes very confusing. So please, do not be so goddamn insensitive as to say that this post is 'childish'. When you have a bruise in your eye whose color resembles a big splash of dark spilt ink.....and when youre not able to open your eye because your eye has fused shut with the tearing of skin on the eyelid.....we'll talk about being CHILDISH.

And you call yourself a truth seeker. You should change that to "person wallowing in denial and insensivity".

@ premalatha: please be my guest. And thank you.

@ anon 2: errr...... your point has been lost completely in the muddle of jumbled sentences that you have written.

April 30, 2006 2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>And you call yourself a truth seeker. You should change that to "person wallowing in denial and insensivity".<<

You see that is where, you and I are differing. That is where, the age also come in handy.

Tell me girl something here, what are you looking in a relationship, really, if you are under 25, do you really know what is it that you are looking after?

When you guys are in that age group both you and your bf...remember you guys are merely learning from each other. If you have patience (& denying the chemistry association) and know what you are really looking for, then you would be waiting around until you put yourself where you wanted to be, say, for instance, somewhere in a nice school, where you would get a more chance to meet more decent guys who evolved a bit both emotionally and financially.

Before that, if you go on stumble upon not waiting around, then, assume you are walking on a rough path. Do you get me!

I read somewhere this quote...recently a blog too...it reads like this;

"If when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside as fate."

So what do you see there, you are drawing closer yourself unconsciously something that you are not aware of (which is denied part of you).

Just wait around guys...save your heart...please do not go through so many "broken hearts," it is no good at the end of the days.

'Beating up' that is a barbaric act, more animalistic instinct, one could express in a human plane. Why even bother to walk closer to someone who is not in the habit of carrying around good books and not having good grounded thoughts, then we talk of sharing the bed with him/her.

&&& stop coining people names...like you did with me (navadakkam is a must to learn and grow)...

however, i will not let external factors bothers me.

Good luck! You write good though, catch up with more reading, mature through time. The dimention will soon change.

Same Seeker.

April 30, 2006 4:44 PM  
Blogger Vidya said...

The title of the post caught me and when I read it completely , you took the words out of my mouth. I had been thinking about such a situation earlier but this was with a girl friend of mine. She passed my resume and during the course of it, passed on a lot about my personal life to others at work. Apparently, the company would not consider my resume without the knowledge about my personal life !! I was going through some tough times in my life at that time and just did not know that she had done this ( and continously doing it ! ) So every time, I used to cry to her about my life or the problems, she had been taking these stories and using it as a coffee time conversation for her family or to her colleagues in the name of good f**king intentions.

Long story short, I found out several months later about what she had been doing. When I confronted her, I got some more lies. I decided that she is just another one of these girls who can't take action with their own lives but are willing to rain on another's parade. I distanced myself from her.

It was really hard because she gave me the classic " I have done so much for you and you do this to me " dialog..It was equally emotionally abusive as it was with my ex.

Safe people - I think that you have to surrounded by safe people- who protect you emotionally , spiritually and physically... Google & Read this book on "Safe People".

Anyway, I am glad that you came out of an abusive relationship and care enough about someone who you met in the coffee shop .
Take it easy
Vidya

April 30, 2006 5:41 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ anon: 'mature' through time? Have you listened to your asshattery?
and surely you mean 'dimension'?

:)

@ vidya: OMG! So what did you do to "miss -embodiment-of-hypocrisy-and betrayal"(sorry....but I detest people like the 'friend' you have described)....a good verbal flaming should be fantastic for starters...:)

May 1, 2006 2:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopeless people. May God will save your soul!!

Yea, you saved the world from coming down by pointitng out it was "S" in stead of "T" very important. Nothing else made sense, huh!

Great, waste of my breath. Bye. lil one.

Same Seeker.

May 1, 2006 12:02 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

And you saved the world by pointing out that the one taking the beatings and the abuse should look 'within herself'.

Yup. Great going Sherlock.

Please take your horrendous views and your personal attacks on my 'maturity' AWAY from my blog.

May 1, 2006 12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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May 1, 2006 2:02 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

yup mr.seeker with horrendous grammar, fourth time's a charm.

'Delete'........phishhhhhh.

:)

May 1, 2006 2:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is going on correction? Why did you delete my friend's feed back? Did he say something which is going to stick with you rest of your mind?

Kill the Ego! That is the first step to learn.

May 2, 2006 10:52 PM  
Blogger Ragnell said...

anon -- Why don't you and your friend follow your own advice? Because those self-important comments seem to me specifically designed to make the speaker feel superior to the listener, and fool those around them into thinking that they are wise, enlightened and detached when in fact they are more full of it than the only working Port-A-Potty at an exhibition fight featuring Chuck Norris and Mr. T

(Sorry Megha, couldn't help myself)

May 3, 2006 11:36 PM  
Blogger the wannabe indian punkster said...

@ ragnell: HAHAHAHAHA.......
Ragnell you dont have to say sorry! Be my guest!

Chuck Norris and Mr. T......ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha..........

Priceless.
:D

May 4, 2006 8:07 PM  
Blogger Dadoji said...

I am glad you made this post and I am glad it is getting so many hits. Though I belong to the other side of gender divide, I wish I could tell you how close to home this hit. Women spend *decades* in such relationship and nobody other than themselves can make them change their minds. Isn't that just sad?

BTW, I like the new photo in the profile. Honest!

May 5, 2006 4:11 AM  
Blogger Tachyoson said...

as a guy who isnt seeing anyone i am
1. amazed at guys who would do this to the girls they claim to Love. possessiveness is NOT to be confused with being protective , IMHO.

2. at the girls i know who EERILY resemble this girl in the coffeeshop you have written about. - and yes i am guilty of thinking the part about "why dont they get out?"... i suppose they need the security of beeing needed ?

again, a very well composed post :)

May 7, 2006 12:01 PM  
Anonymous Anu said...

A very well written post Megha! I am in a relationship right now and I can totally identify myself with it. I dont know how guys do it but they have the knack of making you feel guilty of something that you havent done at all. Its really very sad how women always end up giving more in a relationship and to top that..feel guilty during an argument to have angered the guy..I think its our nature to feel needed and wanted that actually makes us put up with this sort of behaviour. Its definitely not easy to walk out of the relationship because we always choose to see the positive side of the man.."but he was so sweet to me the other day"..and we also have a very short memory..we tend to forget how abusive he was just the previous day :)How convenient for the guy!

I hope the girl in the coffee shop reads this and gets in touch with you.

May 16, 2006 6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Got in rather late, but very well written. needless to say, very true too. But if most relationships are like that, and it's beginning to feel like they are, have you heard of a "harmonious long-standing relationship"? I'm beginning to think that such a thing does not exist. Pessimist me.
But bravo again, for putting all that we go through (yes, we) in words.

May 18, 2006 1:59 AM  
Anonymous Brad said...

I read this post, coz' somebody asked me to. Why the Post Script, bebe? Didn't think it was necessary.
I want to enlighten some of the folks out there as to my situation with my ex, before you start making half-witted assumptions.
You can't possibly stop many people from assuming what they want to assume! Can ya. Just a subtle FFT.

May 28, 2006 5:39 AM  

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